I stand for freedom of expression and right now, for France

"El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First!" (lightningzone)
01/07/2015 at 11:30 • Filed to: None

And we should all do the same. France and the Marquis de Lafayette reminded America how important liberty is, even when some Americans wondered if the war was worth it and if tea wasn't sweeter in Britain.

As long as we believe in freedom, reason and humor, terrorism will never win.

DISCUSSION (18)

Leon711 > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First!
01/07/2015 at 11:32

TIL Tea is only sweet if you put too much sugar in. I have none.

We in the UK stand with our brothers in France.

Brian, The Life of > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First!
01/07/2015 at 11:36

Amen. As much as we like to make fun of the French, America would not have happened without them. Even after helping out in those two wars, our debt is far from paid.

Saoul-Virage > Brian, The Life of
01/07/2015 at 11:44

But without USA, France would no longer exist, neither democracy in Europe.

OPPOsaurus WRX > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First!
01/07/2015 at 11:46

finally someone talks about France without mentioning white flags!

Brian, The Life of > Saoul-Virage
01/07/2015 at 11:47

Maybe, maybe not. Doesn't change the fact that we still owe them.

Rock Bottom > OPPOsaurus WRX
01/07/2015 at 11:51

I couldn't help it!

T5Killer > Brian, The Life of
01/07/2015 at 11:57

I served along side French Army folks in A'stan and they are a great Ally to have by our side. The french bashing never made sense to me.

66671 - 200 [METRIC] my dash > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First!
01/07/2015 at 11:58

What I mean is that freedom of speech won't protect you religious radicals, you still need to watch what you say.

Kinja'd!!!

El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! > Saoul-Virage
01/07/2015 at 12:17

But they stood for us, when we were just a few little states who still had problems with the locals, in a war against the mighty British Empire. We weren't the global superpower that we are today or the colonial power that France was back in WW2.

They could've said that it wasn't their problem and that they have enough trouble back in Europe, but they didn't. They knew that the ideas of Voltaire, Diderot, Montesquieu and Rousseau, ideas that changed the world in many ways, would've been dead if they let those young, American states, go down.

El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! > 66671 - 200 [METRIC] my dash
01/07/2015 at 12:20

So, you basically support terrorism as a response to cartoons?

66671 - 200 [METRIC] my dash > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First!
01/07/2015 at 12:37

All I'm saying is that freedom of speech won't protect you from people disagreeing with you, some of which could be people with radical beliefs and rifles. Freedom of speech is great but it can't protect you from people who don't follow the rules.

El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! > 66671 - 200 [METRIC] my dash
01/07/2015 at 12:50

Yes, but as a citizen who pays taxes, the government should protect you from people who want to harm you. That's what modern society is based on and that's why freedom of expression is such a powerful concept.

user314 > Brian, The Life of
01/07/2015 at 13:02

You only really rib on those you love, right?

Vive la France!

KirkyV > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First!
01/07/2015 at 13:13

I was under the impression that, for the most part at least, they kinda did it to piss off/sap the resources of the British. Proxy war, and so on.

El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! > KirkyV
01/07/2015 at 15:12

Well, that too. But only because Britain and Spain were getting more colonies. And the creation of America eventually stopped the advancing Spanish, who were in Florida.

Also, now you see why the European Union is a good idea? Peace and cooperation is a lot more profitable than long wars. Even here, the South got secessionist ideas but we kicked their ass. If the South(or Texas) was alone, the differences between the South and the North would've been as big as the differences between Western Europe and Eastern Europe, or worse.

KirkyV > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First!
01/07/2015 at 15:18

I'm just saying, their primary motivation was likely strategic, rather than ideological, in nature.

Anyway, I've always thought the European Union was a good idea. The execution's shaky in plenty of places, but that's true of pretty much every political entity.

66671 - 200 [METRIC] my dash > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First!
01/07/2015 at 15:48

Well they can try, but someone's always able to kill you, the government can't stop individuals from being killed, nobody gets escorts or anything like that. But I obviously do agree it's useful for people to voice their opinions, even about the government themselves, and so the gov't can't "get rid of" or imprison people who disapprove of their rule and whatnot.

El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! > KirkyV
01/07/2015 at 16:00

Yep, I think Europe should be a federation, using the American model.

One constitution that everybody agrees on, with states, rather than countries, with a single bicameral parliament and a president, voted by all the people. One army with a single central command. With unified secret agencies(to do a better job than multiple agencies in each country). States with equal rights. With 4 senators and 6 congressmen for each state. With unified government agencies(or ministries or whatever you call them). And obviously with a single space agency and unified education and scientific institutes.

Think about all the efficiency.